Hello and welcome to this day in esoteric political history from Radiotopia.

My name is Jody Avergan.

Now we are bringing you part two of our celebration of 400 episodes 400 incredible

we're talking with our producer Jacob Feldman about lessons that he has learned

helping do research for this show.

We're going to get right into it, right into part two.

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Jacob joined me and Nicole Hammer of Vanderbilt and Kelly Carter Jackson of

Wesley. Here is Jacob Feldman with the third of his four big lessons

from helping make this show over the years. Take it away, Jacob.

History is what happens while you're busy making other plans. I think the

show is possibly my favorite show out of the 400 I'd hate to pick one they're all my children but

Fred Coramatsu's internment it's just a name it's like a name you learn in school. We don't even learn it as a name. You learn it as like part of a case and you learn the case as part of this wider. Like you don't ever really see his face at all, like those stories that we do,

the Randolph-Freed people I think was another example of, you know, it's something you hear,

but you don't think about really the people behind it.

And even at the higher levels of government like

Francis Perkins is somebody who was a professor and if she's not there at the

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