400. The Separation of Church and Hate

The New Evangelicals Podcast

Tim Whitaker

News, Religion & Spirituality, Politics, Christianity

4.7 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2025

⏱️ 54 minutes

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In today's episode, Tim interviews John Fugelsang, author of 'The Separation of Church and Hate.' They discuss John's upbringing in a Catholic household, the hijacking of Christianity by fundamentalists, and the challenges of engaging with those who hold extremist views. The conversation also touches on the role of media in shaping perceptions of Christianity, the impact of Trump on evangelicalism, and the importance of shared values in combating Christian nationalism. John emphasizes the need for Christians to return to the teachings of Jesus and to advocate for love and compassion in society. John's Book | Separation of Church and Hate: A Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascists, and Flock-Fleecing Frauds John on Twitter | @Johnfugelsang Chapters 02:45 John's Background and Early Influences 08:29 Engaging with Fundamentalism 14:47 Cognitive Dissonance in Evangelicalism 20:42 The Challenge of Critical Thinking in Faith 38:30 The Role of Media in Shaping Narratives ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:46.0	Hey friends. Welcome back to the new evangelicals. Monday. Today I had on John Fuglesang. He is the author of The Separation of Church and Hate, a Sane Person's Guide to Taking Back the Bible from Fundamentalists, Fascist, and Flock Fleecing Frauds. Wow, what a subtitle. You probably have seen John online going viral for all the right reasons.
1:51.3	This is a very great conversation. John has a lot to say, so I let him go. I will warn you,
1:57.0	this is not a maybe family safe conversation. John is a comedian, and he talks like a comedian.
2:01.7	So take that for what you will. But I really think that this conversation will encourage you that other people see what you are seeing and that you're not crazy for thinking that maybe
2:08.7	the party and the evangelical movement that claims to be Christ's following actually is the opposite.
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