Marshall here. Welcome back to The Realignment.

One of the topics I'm most obsessed with is generational change, especially leading into an

election season featuring leading candidates in the late 70s and early 80s next year.

I've published two episodes on generations this year. By confedery, I spoke with the Washington

Posts, Philip Bump, about his book, The Aftermath, The Last Days of the Baby Boom,

and The Future of Power in America. And last month, I interviewed Neil Howe,

one of the coiners of the word millennial, about his new book, The Fourth Turning Is Here,

what the seasons of history tell us about how and when this crisis will end. My guest today,

Wharton's school professor, Mauro F.K. Wen, brings entirely different spin on the topic.

In his new book, The Perennials, The Megatrends creating a post-generational society,

Mauro rejects the generation of providing lines, boomers, Gen X, millennios, Gen Z,

that we often use in our daily discourse, arguing that they distort our understandings of

business, culture, and politics. Instead, he thinks we should consider ourselves perennials.

His lies are no longer premised on clean and clear movement through the sequential model of life.

Think of the movement from K through 12, to college, to your time in the workforce, to retirement.

Mauro relieves such a sequence, no longer reflects the long-term trends we're shaping our society.

Hope you all enjoy this conversation, and all that said, I hope everyone is a great

Labor Day weekend, and a huge thank you to the Foundation for American Innovation

for supporting the work of this podcast.

Mauro Gien, welcome to The Realignment.

Oh, thank you so much Marcel for having me, it's an honor.

Yeah, I'm really excited to speak with you. So, we're going to get into the post-generational,

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