The Cubans cannot overcome their anti-Blackness in regards to discrimination, so it's really difficult to control that if you don't recognize race.

Hey, welcome to In The Thick, this is a podcast about politics, race and culture from a POC perspective.

I'm Maria Inohosa. And I'm Julio Riccaldo Barella.

And joining us here in Harlem is Terrell Star, former National Political Correspondent Perfusion, and one of our

in the thick regulars. Hey Terrell, how you doing? All right. And joining us from Miami is Guillermo

Guernir, he's professor of sociology at Florida International University.

Hey Guillermo, welcome to the show.

Good morning.

All right, so we're going to start this week with the story of Fidel Castro.

90 years old, finally passed away.

Guillermo, I mean, how do you even sum up, Fidel Castro?

I mean, such a complicated legacy, but you know, your thoughts on this.

There is no Haiku for Fidel. you know he's a full length novel

the Tolstoyeski, you know war and peace the whole the whole thing. It's a long story but it's always

been a very mixed story you know I mean we he's greatly praised by some

individuals and parts of the world he's a hero here in Miami that had kangolines going tomorrow, I mean yesterday down 8th Street,

celebrating his death, which is a kind of a morbid beginning of a day.

But I think Fidel is one of those figures where history is going to not come down on one side or the other.

I think you'll have different narratives.

You'll have narratives that say when he did good, he did very, very good and then when you had, and you'll have narratives that say when he was bad, he did very very good and then when you had and you'll have narratives

that say when he was bad he was very very bad and that's I think it's going to be

his legacy is the ambivalence of his of his rule. So Trelle

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