4-Time Champ Horace Grant on Jordan, Kobe, Penny, Shaq and the Career Nobody Talks About Enough

All The Smoke

The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts

Sports, Society & Culture, Basketball

4.7 • 7.6K Ratings

🗓️ 26 March 2026

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Before the rings, before the goggles, before the championships, Horace Grant was a kid in Sparta, Georgia hunting squirrel and raccoon just to eat. Four titles later, he's finally telling the whole story. On this episode, Horace goes deep on the Bulls three-peat with MJ and Pip, the emotional decision to leave Chicago, what Penny Hardaway could have been, getting that fourth ring in LA with Kobe and Shaq, and why after all of it, he has zero regrets. One of the most complete careers in NBA history. Not enough people know it.

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0:00.0	This is an I-Heart podcast.
0:02.6	Guaranteed Human.
0:04.0	Welcome back to All the Smoke.
0:06.2	I'm excited about today, man.
0:08.9	Someone I grew up watching and admiring and play with a lot of great players.
0:14.2	Four-time champ himself, All-Star, four-time all-defensive NBA team.
0:19.9	Hall of Flames got to be knocking at some point.
0:22.2	They bullshit and if they not.
0:24.3	Welcome to the show, Horace Grant.
0:25.8	Appreciate the love, man.
0:26.7	I appreciate you.
0:27.7	Appreciate you.
0:29.8	We were having a conversation early.
0:31.5	The Grant family name in the NBA is heavy.
0:34.1	I mean, obviously your identical twin was in there.
0:37.1	You got nephews in there.
0:38.5	What was it in the water that got you guys all to become pros?
0:42.1	You know, coming from Georgia and, you know, it had to be something in the waters down there.
0:48.4	You know, my mother isn't with us anymore. And she prayed that she could, you know, have twins.
0:54.6	And, you know, she got granted that wish, no pun intended.
1:00.5	But I'm nine minutes older than my brother Harvey.
1:05.0	How many?
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