Lift other people, lift the Lord, lift the circumstances, make things better than they used to be.

And that works better when you're humble than when you're proud,

and when you're team oriented than when you're team-oriented,

then when you're self-oriented,

which means you're going to be counterculture

in a consumer-based selfish performance-driven me-me culture.

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are

David Ann Wilson. You can find us at familylife today.com. This is family life

today. day.

Let me start the day because we've been talking about manhood for the last two days with Jeff Kemp, which have been phenomenal. But Dave, as I'm listening to Jeff, I'm thinking you are this man. Like you've had a rough past, you've had a miserable childhood in some respects, but you are living out what it looks like

to be a godly man and now that we're older we have grandchildren but when our sons come to you and might say,

like, hey dad, this wasn't too great in our family and this hurt me when you did this,

the fact that you have been so humble to say,

tell me more. What do you mean by that?

Who?

That is being humble, and I have loved watching you

get older and become more dependent on Jesus than ever before.

And you just said that.

My first thought was the opposite.

What do you mean?

The fact that you're saying that, I'm like,

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