Everyone knows what it's been like living in America after the Supreme Court handed down its Dobbs decision.

But can we imagine? Do we dare imagine? A life after Dobbs, a post-Dobbs America. I'm Kimberly

Atkins Store and welcome to Justice by Design. Don't forget to subscribe and follow

and give five stars wherever you get your podcasts. And today I am joined by Rachel Rebusch. She is the

Dean of Temple Law School and she's also a professor of reproductive health care law. Rachel,

thank you so much for joining me today.

Thank you so much for having me. So I want you to introduce yourself a little bit. Tell us a little

bit more about the work that you do there at Temple. So, you know, when I am teaching, I teach in

contracts, health care, finance, and regulation and family law, but I also teach a reproductive justice

seminar, and that's the area that I've been researching my entire career and writing about.

And since Dobbs and just before it, with some terrific co-authors trying to map what the legal

landscape will look like after Roe v. Wade has been overturned.

And most recently have been focused on what does abortion access mean in an era where people are increasingly ending their

pregnancies with pills. So what are the state's efforts to try to stop pills? What are what are

efforts to try to keep people from ordering them? What are the efforts to try to shut down the

virtual clinics that have aided the proliferation of pills? And what are people doing in the

opposite? So that's that's the research I've been working on for the last year or two.

And I've turned my attention to medical education and what's happening to the standard of obstetric care after jobs.

I really can't wait to dive into that more with you.

It was actually a conversation about that

when we met that gave me the idea to have you on for this podcast episode. So I want to talk a

little bit. I'm sure many of our listeners know what has been happening in the two years since

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