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Well, the needs of every marriage might be different, there are some decisions all couples should

make together. We'll give you some ideas today. I'm John Fuller with Greg and Aaron Smalley from the

Focus on the Family Marriage Department, and we're kicking off today with a conversation that

Jim Daly had on his show with Arlene Pelican. She shared about four key choices

you can make to bring life to your relationship. Let's get to the real brass tacks. Your husband

enjoys camping. Yay, James. Way to go, James. But it's not really your jam. No. Our family like saw the

lake and went to the lodge, you know. It it was like, that was awesome. I think Jane's pretty, she loves camping, but I remember when we did a lot of tent camping, I know you and Dina have done a lot of, especially here in Colorado. So we finally went from, like, a tent to a fifth wheel, because Dean was like, I'd really like a bed. So, okay, I'm going to get you a big bed.

So anyway, but tell us about James and you when it comes to camping. Yeah, so we've definitely done

all the different levels. And so the highest level we have done is, you know, that two to three day

backpacking trip in Yosemite, in the Inyo National Forest, where you are really like carrying 28 pounds

on your back. You are going for 18 miles in two days, whatever, right? So we did this. And every time

I do this, I say to myself, this is the last time I will ever do this because this is so beautiful

out here.

And so as I'm doing this, just this last year, you know, my kids love it. James loves it. So it's like, I must love it. So it's like, okay, I'm going to try this. I'm going to try this. And when the path was beautiful, like you're saying, it's like, oh, I will totally do this again. This is fantastic. I mean, where else can you get this? We're all in a tent together. We have a stinky feet. We're playing games. Like, it's very magical. Like, this is very bonding. We're in the middle of nowhere together as a family. Like, this is really special. But then there's other times where It's like, oh, look, there's still some snow on that pass, and we have to cross that. Oh, look, we've been going uphill for two hours. Both ways. Yeah. And it's those times where it's like, I don't want to do this anymore. Like, I will never do this again. And as I'm walking, you know, I'm in this process of also writing this book, making marriage easier.

And in my brain, I'm thinking, oh my word, this is like marriage. Like when it's good, you're like, this is fantastic. I love this. But when it's bad, you're going through hard times, you have difficulties, you're not communicating, things are bad. It's like, I am out of here. And you know, you have the map and you look at the map and you say, okay, I see it, this little dotted line. It's going to be 28 miles, round trip, whatever it is. Like, I see that. But until you actually do it, you really don't know, like, what is going to be there. So for me, it really showed me that, okay, when you pick the path,

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