Hello everyone and welcome to Saturn returns with me Kagi Dunlop. This is a

podcast that aims to bring clarity during transitional times where there can be

confusion and doubt.

The classic phrase is, it's just a dream.

Oh, it's just a dream. Except there's not just a dream. except there's not just a dream.

It's the most rich, vibrant aspect of our humanity is our unconscious.

My guest today is Dr Michael Lennox, a spiritual teacher, psychologist, astrologer,

an expert in dreams and dream interpretation. He started his professional career by obtaining a

master's and doctorate in psychology from the Chicago school before moving into the realm

of astrology, but as you'll hear, his work in dreams began before any of this.

He has written several books on dreams, hosted TV shows, and regularly leads workshops and retreats alongside his private practice.

Now as you'll hear Michael is a big personality with some big ideas and we go all in in this

episode talking about dreams of course but also astrology and

our future as a society. Many of you requested an episode around dreams and so I

asked my friend Kelly who she could

recommend and she sent me Michael and as soon as I started following him I

thought well this will make for an interesting episode. I have also become fascinated by dreams and the wisdom

they can hold for us and wanted to explore this theme more. But before we get into this wonderful episode, let's hear from our astrological guide, Nora.

In astrology, the sign of Pisces is known to be the sign that is most connected to the realm of dreams and the subconscious.

Virgo is the archetype then that doesn't need those dreams and dissects the subconscious. Both of these signs are energies that we live

and experience daily, no matter what our personal Zojac sign is. This is because Virgo is the energy

of our daily life, our routine, our physical health, our work, and Pisees is the sound that helps us

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