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Phil Mackey. He looks like he's an eighth grade, first of all. He does. If you stand by that

guy, he is a midget. He is a little guy. Judd Zolgad.

I consider my protege.

That's right.

Mackie and Judd on 1500 ESPA.

What a great feeling the four games to go, knowing you control your destiny.

And that's how we approach it.

You know, it's been one game at a time the whole year.

Now with four games to go, the biggest game of the season now is Thursday night against the division opponent who we're fighting with in the Minnesota. We've lost two tough games to them,

and we have an opportunity to get one of those games back on Thursday night and looking forward to a packed house and a great environment.

We just gotta get tougher. We gotta play like some dogs with a sense of urgency.

Team just do whatever they want against us.

I don't like it, but, you know,

ain't no coach in the world that can make somebody play hard.

Ain't no coach in the world that can make anybody want it.

And right now, I'm in the position that we are, I don't know what,

four through 10 or whatever you all talk about in the media,

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