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Twenty Thousand Hertz

4’33”: John Cage’s revolutionary “silent” musical piece

Twenty Thousand Hertz

Dallas Taylor

Design, Music, Music Commentary, Arts

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2020

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

John Cage was a respected composer when, in 1952, he created his “silent piece”, 4’33’’ - a piece that would have the music world scratching their heads. This episode asks whether 4’33’’ is really “silent”, and we explore the history of a piece musicians still talk about today - and speak to the man who campaigned to get it to the top the British charts in 2010. Featuring composers Kyle Gann and Nahre Sol, and artist Dave Hilliard. Twenty Thousand Hertz is produced by Defacto Sound. Subscribe on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ to see our video series. If you know what this week's mystery sound is, tell us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠mystery.20k.org⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Support the show and get ad-free episodes at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠20k.org/plus⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Follow Dallas on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠Facebook⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Join our community on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Reddit⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Check out Kyle Gann’s No Such Thing as Silence: John Cage's 4'33" wherever you get your books. See Nahre’s work at nahresol.com. Find Dave Hilliard on Instragram at davehilliardart.  Listen to more of Martin Zalta Austwick’s music at palebirdmusic.com. Episode transcript, music, and credits can be found here: https://www.20k.org/episodes/433 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

You're listening to 20,000 Hertz.

0:09.0

John Cage was one of the most significant figures in 20th century music.

0:13.5

He was a student of Arnold Schernberg, but went on to be an influential composer in his own right.

0:19.0

His work drew on Chinese and Japanese influences at a time

0:22.3

when American society was just starting to open up to these cultures. He influenced avant-garde

0:27.5

composers like Philip Glass and Steve Reich, as well as songwriters and artists, like Yoko Ono,

0:33.2

Lou Reed, and even Apex Twin. He was also hugely influential in modern dance. What you hear

0:39.4

playing right now is his 1948 piece called In a Landscape. This version was recorded in 1994

0:46.3

by Stephen Drury. This piece is actually not very typical of John Cage's writing.

0:57.1

He's more known for his innovations in music and his avant-garde techniques.

1:01.5

As far as John Cage pieces go, this is pretty much as mainstream classical as it gets.

1:06.9

But despite his reputation for avant-garde writing, no one was prepared for what he did in 1952.

1:13.8

This was the year he created the most daring piece of his career.

1:17.7

Something really out there, even for him.

1:20.3

It was called Four Minutes and 33 Seconds.

1:23.8

It was a piece that even some critics refused to call music.

1:31.3

Awesome. It was a piece that even some critics refused to call music. Oddly enough, my first experience with 433 was playing it on my high school piano recital.

1:37.3

I played it when I was 17 before I had heard anybody else play it.

1:41.8

That's Kyle Gann, a professor at Bard College.

1:44.7

He's also a composer and a former critic at the Village Voice.

1:48.4

I bought the sheet music in Dallas for 50 cents.

1:51.8

It's almost ironic that you can buy sheet music for 433,

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