For Pacifica Radio, April 24th, 2022.

I'm Scott Horton.

This is Anti War Radio. All right, y'all welcome the show. It is anti-war radio. I'm your host Scott Horton.

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All right, introducing this week's guest

it's William M. Arkin from Newsweek magazine. Welcome back to the show William. How are you doing?

Thanks for having me on again Scott. Very happy to have you here and frankly like I feel very

lucky to have been able to read all of your great coverage of the war in Ukraine.

Going back over these past few weeks here, it's all at newsweek.com.

I just want to start, I guess if we could, could you give us please an overview of how many people have been displaced how many people have been killed civilian and military and that kind of thing

Well if I knew any of the answers to that question Scott I could give you an overview.

You know we do know that 25% or so of the population in the East has been displaced by this war and we do know that some 3 to 4 million people have left Ukraine

altogether and are now finding shelter in Eastern Europe mostly but overall do we know how many civilians have actually

died? Do we know how many soldiers have actually died? I think the answer is

still no. I can give you some sense of the of the magnitude of the war and

that is that we are talking about two large armies facing each other on the ground with tremendous reserves on the

part of the Ukrainians police, National Guard, Territorial

defenses, civilian volunteers, foreign mercenaries.

They're all engaged in this war.

I think the level of casualties amongst the soldiers has been higher than we probably have been told.

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