Today it's Michael Francise. What a pleasure he was introduced to me by Sean Atwood, a good friend of me, a good friend of the channel, that's what people say, isn't it? He's a friend of the channel. He's just a friend of mine, isn't he? And Sean's great and I was saying the other day he got me to come over to his house the other day We all went me and the missus went over to Sean and his missus and the family and all of that

And he tried to get me He's always talking about me having a hairy back. he tried to get me into a jacuzzi with him and I was saying listen mate you know I'd love that so I brought my swimming trunks but it turned out the jacuzzi was basically in the bathroom like next to the toilet and it was a bath basically and I had to decline unfortunately and say unfortunately Seano, you know, he was just sat in the bath. No he wasn't and I said I'm not doing it anyway

that's Sean I've gone off the topic now because I'm talking about Michael Francise

who was a a capo and he tells me how to pronounce it as well. I don't remember, what was it, Brig, Brig, Brig,

Brig, what is it, Brig something?

You know, he'll tell you what exact role he played.

I love all the mafia movies,

and I don't remember any of the names of the things but he's

reformed very much he looks great isn't his 70s doesn't sound or look at at all and he spent 10 years in prison for racketeering and he gives us an insight.

I mean he goes around giving talks now about mafia life and he never glamorizes it.

One thing I forgot to ask him actually is if that law applies in the US as well

because in the UK we do have a law that you can't make a profit off of crimes you've committed.

And I suppose you can get around that by saying well listen I'm going to talk

about the bad side of the mafia life I'm not making money from the crimes I'm saying hey

don't go there don't do it and he doesn't speak about specific crimes and I don't

even know if they have that rule.

We talk a little bit at the end about politics.

I think Michael makes it clear that he's more on the Trump side than the Biden side, but he certainly,

you know, he's quite nuanced there and then

sees that some of the Trump stuff I mean my issue of Trump aside from anything else

is just the lack of statesmanship like not that statesman statesman likeishness.

Not that I expect everybody to be, you know, boring.

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