It's time for episode 397 of the Clockwise podcast from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, May 5th, 2021.

Clockwise, Four People, ClorTech Topics, 30 minutes. Welcome to the new to clockwise at the podcast Technological.

It's Cinco de Mayo.

Happy May 5th, everyone.

My name is Dan Morn, and I am joined across the internet by my good friend, my pal, my dungeon, buddy.

It's Mr. Micah. Sartant,

Micah, how are you doing today? I am doing well, and I have to tell you, I did not connect the dots.

I saw a Spanish language intro for today's episode, and I didn't recognize that it was because it

was May the 5th, but very clever. There you go.

I will say I had a longer one, and then I remembered, I don't speak Spanish.

So I decided not to do that, which I think was the right choice.

Well, this is, of course, the show where we talk four tech topics with two fantastic guests. To my left this week,

it is a senior editor of consumer technology at Gizmodo and one of my former colleagues from Macroll.

Caitlin McGarry, welcome back, Caitlin. Hello, thanks for having me. Always a pleasure.

And to my left, it is the master of serious shortcuts and all related automation, as well as my co-hosts

on Smart Tech today. It's Matthew Cassinelli. Hello, Matthew. Hello, Micah. How are you doing?

Doing well and glad to have you here. This feels familiar, just like our... There's just two other

interlopers here. All right, I'll kick things off today.

Apple is increasingly coming under fire for its app store policies and the possibility

of regulation and government intervention is sort of looming out there.

My question for you is,

would you be okay sideloding apps from other places onto your phone or using other payment methods other than

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