David Bernard, welcome to the talk show.

I'm a terrible podcast host because I wanted to have you on the show for years and here we are.

In 2024, first time on the show.

Nice to finally be on. You first covered my apps and I gotta say thank you

back in the fall of 2008.

So we have been corresponding off and on

and you've covered my apps and writings

I've done for decades now.

So yeah, thanks.

What would that app have been?

What would 2008 have been for you?

I think the very first thing you wrote about was TripCubby, a mileage logging app, because you

had lambasted this really poorly designed mileage logging app.

It was the only mileage logging app available when the App Store first launched.

Mine was ready, but Apple hadn't approved my App Store account, which to this day it still kills me.

I actually, funny story, I I mean I thought about going to

W. W.C. 2008. Because like I had started my company, I was building

abs, but it was so much money.

And I borrowed money from my family to start the company.

It was like ultimate bootstrapping.

I just, it felt like an insurmountable cost trying to get this business off the ground to go to Cooper

Tina or I guess back then it was San Francisco still yeah for for a week but had I gone

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