Dana Klein, everybody, welcome back. So Dana, why not you introduce yourself, you introduce yourself, and we'll go from there.

I'm Dana Klein. I'm the chief information officer and vice president of information technology

for Cordia. We are a three and a half year old district energy company that owns district

energy and microgranted assets that are much older than three and a half years old. Some of our

assets were built in the late 1800s actually with steam systems and I've been doing

IT work for 35 years and and I can't seem to myself retiring anytime soon and we're really enjoying it

awesome many people say that and they wouldn't have the answer if they wanted to retire retire anyways, they wouldn't know what to do. So I guess that's okay. So you have some silos that

predate 1900. What's the oldest piece of infrastructure that you guys have? Are we even allowed to say,

is that top secret? No, no. I mean, so we have two steam systems. So one is in San Francisco, it was built in the late 1800s, first started.

And then went from coal to oil-fired boilers to now natural gas boilers.

And we have a plan to phase those out and replace them with electric boilers powered by renewable electricity.

But that has been providing steam heat for downtown buildings for a very, very long time.

And then we have a similar system in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania.

Same thing, steam heat.

It's transitioned over the years and is now run by natural gas boilers.

Let's reverse backwards. First of all, the company's fascinating, just the idea of kind

of the energy, maybe just, even though this is an IT podcast, maybe just explain a little

bit about how you guys are delivering energy. And I found it to be very fascinating.

Or a good model. Let's just say good business model.

It is a good business model. And that's why the business has been around in some communities

for a very long time. And we're a much bigger district energy in Europe. I think where maybe things

were done for more community good than community greed. But in the United States, they have these systems all over the place.

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