395. Shame-Sex Attraction with Lucas Wilson

The New Evangelicals Podcast

Tim Whitaker

News, Religion & Spirituality, Politics, Christianity

4.7 • 1K Ratings

🗓️ 15 September 2025

⏱️ 92 minutes

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In today's episode, Tim engages in a deep conversation with Lucas Wilson, an expert on conversion therapy and its effects on LGBTQ+ individuals. They explore Wilson's personal journey through faith, the impact of Holocaust research on his beliefs, and the complexities of modern Christian nationalism. Lucas on Instagram | @Lukeslamdunkwilson Chapters 09:00 The Journey of Acceptance and Self-Realization 18:53 The Problem of Evil and Theological Perspectives 30:00 The Role of Power in Evangelicalism 39:59 The Intersection of Theology and Politics 50:17 Projection and Moral Relativism in Evangelicalism 01:06:19 Christian Zionism: A Double-Edged Sword 01:15:07 The Role of Narrative in Changing Minds 01:28:10 The Importance of Storytelling in Advocacy ____________________________________________________ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. This show is produced by Josh Gilbert Media | ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Joshgilbertmedia.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:40.1	podcast. Hey friends. how are you happy Monday to you? I just got back from a trip to Chicago. I was hanging out at the church of the at the Crossroads conference. A bunch of white Christians and Palestinians got together to advocate for a free Palestine
1:13.4	and for a ceasefire. It was really powerful, some amazing speakers, my friend and guest on the show,
1:19.4	Daniel Boninora, Manta Isaac, Shane Claiborne, Lisa Sharon Harper, and so many others. I'll have more
1:24.4	details on that in the future. But for now, this episode is with
1:28.4	Lucas Wilson. We had a really powerful talk. He's the editor of shame, sex attraction,
1:35.0	Survivor's Stories of Conversion Therapy, and he's the author of At Home with the Holocaust,
1:39.4	post-memory, domestic space, and the second-generation Holocaust literature, which received the
1:43.9	Jordan Schnitz's first book publication award. So as you can imagine, domestic space and the second generation Holocaust literature, which received the Jordan
1:44.3	Schnitz first book publication award. So as you can imagine, we cover a lot of topics on this
1:50.9	episode. I really hope that you enjoy it. If you can do me a favor and give this podcast a rating
1:55.5	and a review wherever you listen to your podcast, that would be so, so helpful for the show. All right,
2:01.9	without further ado, here's my conversation with Lucas Wilson. Talk to you later.
2:13.3	All right. Well, Lucas Wilson, your friends call you Luke, so I'll be calling you that on this podcast.
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