Keith Renerei, his whole goal of this was to try to control women for sexual purposes.

People do horrific things in the name of the cult and at the urging of the cult leader.

Hello and welcome to best case worst case.

This is Jim Clemente retired

FBI Profiler former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of criminal minds

and with me today is the very lovely.

Hi everybody it's Francie Hakes former state and federal prosecutor

Jim today we have a really interesting case to discuss and it's a case that

probably every single one of our listeners and Patreon subscribers are familiar with.

But there's a reason that we're discussing this after the case is already kind of over and

there's been sentencing and now it's in post

appeals and all of that and that is because we have some really exciting guests

coming up on the next couple of episodes of best case worst case and so before we have these really exciting guests,

Jim and I thought it would be a great idea

to discuss the case, to go through the facts.

That way, we could jump right into the controversy that is these guests we're going to bring you so we're going to talk about them in a few minutes but first let's talk about the case Jim.

Yeah, so the case is the case involving Heathrenere as the main bad guy and the Nexium

organization which eventually turned into a cult.

So Nexium is actually spelled

and X I and then Roman letter U which looks like a V and then M so it's actually Roman numerals but it's

Nexium and it is basically an E-level marketing company and what they sell are these these courses to help improve your life.

And if you just pay this money to improve your life,

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