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In 1969, in the middle of another conflict, the Vietnam War, where the country's being torn apart again,

people went to, the New York Times went to Jackie Robinson to ask him how he felt about the American flag.

And he said, I don't stand for the national anthem, I don't salute the flag, and when I see a car with a flag attached to it,

I assume the driver is not my friend.

Welcome to episode number 394 of the Jim Rohn podcast. Great to be here. Even better to have you here. Thanks so much for finding it. And again, you know I love the space because this is where

I can go to stretch out, go long

for him and frankly have the types of conversations that I can never have on our daily

program. Case in point, this week's guest and this subject matter. He and it need real estate

and I'm glad to give it to him. He is an acclaimed sports journalist, author, and producer. He and I go way back to our

days at ESPN together. When he used to appear frequently on, Jim Rome is burning as a panelist.

He has written a tremendous new book, his 11th overall. It's entitled Kings and Ponds, Jackie

Robinson and Paul Robeson in America. It is a tremendous read and a fascinating topic.

And it is brilliantly written by my man, Howard Bryant.

It is episode number 394 of the Jim Rohn podcast.

And it's coming at you right now.

Howard, my man, it has been way too long.

It is so good to see you.

Can't we get caught up, man.

How's everything with you?

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