The Hello everyone watching and listening. Today I'm speaking with Dr. John

Lennox, mathematician, professor, author of many books, and public intellectual.

We discuss the axioms and the dangerous aims of transhumanism.

The interplay between ethical faith, reason, and the empirical world that makes up the scientific

endeavor, and the line between Luciferian intellectual presumption and wise courageous

exploration.

So I wanted to start by asking you your opinion on some questions that have gone through my mind recently and there's one that's very specific I think I'll

start with which is that you know I think for for a lot of my life and certainly

when I was younger I really bought the doctrine that there was an

unbridgeable gap between the scientific way of looking at the world and the

Christian way of looking at the

apparent split, the apparent split between science and that the split,

the apparent split between science and religion was a consequence of an incommensurate dichotomy of worldviews,

you know, and that the church had been opposed to scientific progress, at least in part because the scientific

viewpoint existed in contradiction to Christian doctrine.

But then, especially in recent years in the last 10 years,

I've started to understand that that was something like a French Enlightenment slash rationalist propaganda campaign and that

there's a different that the relationship between

science and Christianity is much closer than I had imagined.

I cordoned on to this a little bit by reading Jung, but that just as the universities developed out of the monastic tradition,

the notion that the natural world was intelligible to the inquiring logos

that it had an intrinsic logic that studying it

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