Hello everyone watching and listening. Today I'm speaking with

Australian journalist and former Prime Minister the Honorable Tony Abbott.

We met before once in Australia, and this will be a follow-up to that.

We discuss Australia's role on the world stage, the problems facing the Australian economy and culture, the broader problems that face the

west, how the quasi-cult of carbon threatens, in particular the poor in the developing world,

why new religions propagate where traditional faith

has been abdicated, and the looming threat of war

as China destabilizes, and Putin pushes forward against Ukraine.

We also discuss our joint involvement in the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship,

the Arc, which is a new venture grounded in London, designed to put forward a positive

vision of the future that everyone could, in principle, be on board with voluntarily.

So Mr Abbott, let's start by talking about Australia as a whole.

I mean, what role do you think Australia plays on the international front now?

Like, how do you think Australia should be conceptualised by people outside of the country?

Well, Jordan, I think Australia is one of those wonderful countries, which is big enough to be

interesting and significant, but not so big as to be intimidating and three and no one anywhere in the world who has a grievance against us.

And that's not true of so many other countries.

You think of the United States, you think of Britain, you think of France, you think of

Germany, you think of Italy, you think of Russia, you think of France you think of Germany you think of Italy you think of Russia you think of

China there are grievances that different countries have against all of those

countries they're all of those countries have great strengths as well.

But Australia is one of those happy places

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