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It's a podcast, not a cast pod.

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Every time already.

She's getting ridden to fight, folks.

Take my pearls out.

This show.

He's getting ready to fight. Oh, my God. Crew, welcome to the Hayfrey's podcast. You guys are amazing. It is Wednesday. We are live in studio here at Podcast Village at Georgetown in Washington, D.C. I am your host, Sarah Frazier, along with the fabulous A.J. on the mic. Woo!. Thank you. Oh, my God. Today, can I just tell you, we have an incredible show for you. And I feel like, you know, I was thinking about this overnight. I got up this morning with Dan. I called AJ. I wanted to talk through this with A.J. So today on the show, we have someone who is coming back. His name is Chris Doyle. You guys might remember a couple of years ago, Sammy and I went out to Manassas,

Virginia, and we interviewed a therapist who was all about sexual identity and gender therapy.

Essentially, what that means is helping people find and navigate through their sexuality.

Some of his clients are people

who are not sure if they're gay or straight. Now, the controversial part of this has been that it's

been associated with conversion therapy, which is very controversial in this country, very

controversial in Europe. And the whole thing with conversion therapy is been that a lot of people

are sent to, for lack of a better word,

these like Jesus camps where they're sometimes electrocuted, tortured, all these things

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