#393 Chandler Rogers - Porn Is Dangerous (But Not Why You Think)
Real Talk with Zuby
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🗓️ 12 December 2025
⏱️ 63 minutes
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Summary
Disclaimer: This episode contains sensitive discussions regarding pornography and its associated risks. It is intended for educational and informational purposes only. Listener discretion is advised.
Zuby sits down with Chandler Rogers to talk about his journey through pornography addiction — from early exposure and hidden shame to recovery. They explore how high achievers are often silently struggling, the rise of AI-generated content, and how digital dopamine is replacing real human connection. Chandler opens up about the emotional, relational, and ethical consequences of pornography, including its impact on intimacy and self-worth. They also discuss the shifting public attitude towards porn, how women are increasingly affected, and what genuine recovery and hope can look like. If you or someone you know is battling these issues, this conversation offers insight and a path toward real freedom.
Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(01:04) Chandler’s story with porn
(04:08) Realizing it was addiction
(06:22) Shame, secrecy, and isolation
(10:04) High achievers struggle too
(15:30) AI-generated porn dangers
(19:30) Digital dopamine vs connection
(23:26) Porn's effects on life
(32:05) Ethics in porn industry
(35:39) Shift in public attitudes
(36:22) Women struggling with porn
(42:03) Porn vs real intimacy
(49:47) Hope for the future
(50:09) Campaign & where to find
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Chandler Rogers, welcome to Real Talk with Zubi. |
| 0:03.0 | How are you doing? |
| 0:04.0 | Thanks so much, Zubi. |
| 0:05.0 | I'm doing great. |
| 0:06.0 | So Chandler, we're going to go into an interesting and maybe a bit of a peculiar topic for some people today. |
| 0:12.0 | But first questions first, what is Relay and why did you start it? |
| 0:16.0 | Yeah, Relay is an app that helps guys quit pornography and be able to become more healthy, whole |
| 0:22.8 | versions of themselves. I started the app about five years ago with a buddy from college. |
| 0:29.1 | I never planned on working something like this topic, but I had a background in tech and worked |
| 0:35.3 | for a couple of startups and ultimately just felt passionate |
| 0:37.9 | about trying to help, help do some good. I had dealt with my own, you know, struggle with |
| 0:43.8 | pornography growing up, and it was something that took me years to really try to get a handle on. |
| 0:49.8 | And the key for me was really stepping out of isolation and into a group, into connection. |
| 1:05.0 | And that was kind of what led to creating the app later on, Relay, was we wanted to make it easier for people to find a group with, you know, a lower barrier where you could stay anonymous. And that's, that's what the app does. |
| 1:07.0 | Okay. Well, tell me a little bit about the journey to getting here because obviously there's a backstory. |
| 1:13.6 | What you do is not like a sort of standard thing that people do for a living, right? |
| 1:18.6 | So what's the back story there of what made you want to create this? Just tell me the story. |
| 1:25.6 | Yeah, well, like I mentioned, I mean, my own struggle with pornography dated back to yeah well like I mentioned I mean my my own |
| 1:27.8 | struggle with pornography dated back to high school I think I was a sophomore in |
| 1:32.6 | high school when I first stumbled upon really was when Instagram was becoming a |
| 1:36.4 | big thing I didn't go looking for it a lot of people it's like you know cousin |
| 1:41.9 | showed me on the bus or at a sleepover or found an old |
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