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Wrongful Conviction

#392 Wrongful Conviction: Junk Science - Arson Evidence

Wrongful Conviction

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True Crime

4.65.7K Ratings

🗓️ 25 September 2023

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Built on a foundation of conjecture and best guesses that were never adequately tested according to any valid scientific principles, arson evidence experts have been telling juries for decades that one can definitively determine that a fire was intentionally set is completely wrong.

But why, after generations of experts have all been proven wrong, is there still an unwillingness to change? Barry Scheck, Co-Founder of the Innocence Project, discusses Arson Evidence with Josh.

Kate Judson, Executive Director of the Center for Integrity in Forensic Sciences, updates Josh Dubin's Wrongful Conviction: Junk Science.

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2009 Article in The New Yorker by David Grann

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/09/07/trial-by-fire

https://www.wrongfulconvictionpodcast.com/junk-science

Wrongful Conviction: Junk Science is a production of Lava for Good™ Podcasts in association with Signal Co. No1.

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0:00.0

Sometimes the pop culture we love just teens hits differently in retrospect.

0:03.8

Maybe it's a tabloid story we couldn't get enough of or an illicit student-teacher relationship

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on our favorite show. We're Suzy Banna-Karim and Jessica Bennett,

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posts of the new podcast in retrospect, where each week we'll revisit a cultural moment from

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the past that shaped us and probably you to try to understand what it taught us about the world

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and our place in it. You're the first person that I've talked to about this for years and years.

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Listen to In retrospect on the iHeartRadio app Apple Podcasts or wherever you find your favorite shows.

0:32.1

I'm Liz Flock. I want to tell you a story about how generations of trauma can lead to a point

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She says it was self-defense and he was incredibly abusive. But then she took a blind plea

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for manslaughter and got 15 years. From lemon out of media, this is blind plea,

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