Welcome to another episode of Heretics and today is a Saturday episode as you know

those are a little bit different I try to find different avenues and creative

things and just slightly different to the me interviewing person thing

that you get on your Mondays and Thursdays. And today I've got Kelly Copter who is

doing the interview. Kelly is a popular

youtuber she grew up in well not in but with

Scientology parents who are very abusive and horrible I've done an interview

of her if you go back to an episode from way

before just like search for it in Spotify you'll find it where she talks all about that.

But this is for her channel on YouTube and I asked if she wouldn't mind and she politely accepted

if she wouldn't mind if I put this out on a Saturday episode where she's going to ask me all

about cultishness and cancel culture and philosophy. and an apple journey and we talk a lot about my book which she has just got on hold of

it's the psychology of secrets my adventures with murderous cults and influences so you

get a sneak peek into certain aspects of that. I do hope you'll get it.

What was really cool is I noticed the other day it was at number 500,000 in one of the charts on Amazon and I mentioned it to you guys and it went up to

number 1000. Still has another 999 to go though, but thank you so much for

your support. It really makes a big difference and I'm hoping that by the time this comes out

on the 11th of April in the UK at least it will be in the bestseller lists so I

need your help to do that please do go out and get the psychology of

secrets please also support my wonderful host today Kelly Cop. Go follow her on YouTube.

She does like these funny songs and everything.

She's really, really good with a camera, with the audio.

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