I can re-ask that question during the episode if you want, but I didn't know if the answer was going to end up being too personal.

I'm not sure what answer I'm going to give you if you re-asked it.

So I take full creative license in any of my responses.

And I haven't read this book since I wrote it.

So I don't even know if I remember it.

We'll see what happens.

I love it. It.

it. This is the Bayma Podcast with Marty Solomon.

I'm his co-host Brent Billings. Today we are joined by

Tommy Brown, author of The Aik for Meaning. He is a pastor and contemplative teacher

with a bachelor's degree in pastoral ministry and master's degrees in

divinity and management and a former little league

baseball coach. Tommy, welcome to the show.

It's my greatest, you caught me off guard, it's my greatest accomplishment. You threw that in there right at the last second. I was like, I have to include that.

Yeah, you have no idea how great of a little league coach I was just ask anyone in the in the city where I live all time great.

I've got to be in the top 1,000 of Lily coaches who've ever coached in my city.

That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Well if you want to add any other colorful details about who you are, family, hobbies, whatever else.

Well, before we get to family, let's start with the important stuff. I love redfish fishing and I'm a small

game hunter. I hunt a lot of squirrels you know and I think I'm thinking about

mounting a squirrel sooner or later a lot of men that I'm thinking about mounting a squirrel sooner or later a lot of men that I'm around they mount you know

Deer but not one has ever mounted a squirrel so far as I can tell so I'm thinking about doing that

But seriously my my wife, Elizabeth, and I

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