Hey, welcome to another episode. Today's is with Marcus Evans, who is a consultant psychotherapist who worked at the infamous Tavist clinic now known as a house of horrors, where children were having all sorts of permanent body changes some go as far as to say mutilated body parts and things like that I think

that's maybe politically charged and a more

neutral way of looking at it is they were having sort of changes to make themselves

appear more like the opposite sex that That is now not happening Tavistock had to close down.

Similarly, the NHS only in the last few weeks has now banned puberty blockers on children in the UK.

And this raises a really interesting point.

Does it mean that the likes of Marcus, who's a whistleblower really from Tabistock and myself doing this podcast and Graham

Linnerhan, Kelly J. Keene, all the, I mean there's so many now I've interviewed so forgive

me I won't be able to list them all.

But are we in some sense vindicated?

Does this mean that, hey, we've been banging this drum to point this out for years and

years, and finally it's gotten to a point where it's so bad that even the NHS even

the people in charge of Tavisop they've had to cancel what they were doing

or you know if you're an ideologue on the other side of this whole debate or argument

you know I'm always really into understanding that people have different views

and different understandings of things and different values in life.

Is it that we in the mainstream have put so much pressure on this or really pushed so far against this.

Even though we're wrong that the NHS and other institutions

have felt compelled to close it down for the time

being in what is a, I suppose they would call it an

absolute I don't know mistrial of justice or a really unjust horrible thing

because we're fascist Nazis. I don't know. I obviously opt for the

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