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4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

#390: Can I Learn From C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien's Friendship? With Joseph Loconte

4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

Jennifer Rothschild

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.91.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 February 2026

⏱️ 44 minutes

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Summary

On today's episode, historian Joseph Loconte takes us inside the lives and friendship of J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, two of the most influential Christian writers of the last century. 

Amid the devastation of World War II, their imaginative writing provided a vision of reality—one grounded in truth, valor, and virtue. It's through their stories that Tolkien and Lewis offered far more than escape, but a blueprint for resilience in times of crisis.

Joseph shares how looking at the world through the eyes of these two men can reveal the beauty and divine goodness that serve as an antidote to the lies, division, and hatred of our day.

Now… I may be a C.S. Lewis junkie, so I'll confess I nerded out a little in this conversation! But whether you've read every word they wrote or barely know their names, you'll enjoy this life-giving and thoughtful conversation about friendship, faith, and the power of story.

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The other thing that Token Lewis are doing is they are using the existing crisis that they're in,

0:05.8

and they're turning around and they're using it for good.

0:09.0

And they're offering a hopeful vision of the human story at a time when many men and women,

0:15.3

particularly after the First World War, had become deeply disillusioned, cynical, morally agnostic.

0:23.1

They had rejected any kind of basis, rational basis for hope.

0:27.6

And these two men are using this disastrous situation.

0:31.6

Yes, the First World War, but particularly now the Second World War,

0:34.6

the sense of urgency that they must have felt,

0:38.0

because there's an existential crisis for Great Britain during World War II.

0:41.3

And they're using the crisis of that.

0:43.9

And they're just, they're pushing back.

0:46.2

And they're saying, even in the midst of this crisis, the choices of individuals matter.

0:55.6

During a season when the world was devastated by war, two authors and friends, J.R.R.

1:02.5

Tolkien and C.S. Lewis gave us a path back to goodness, beauty, and faith. So how did they do it? Well, on today's episode, historian

1:15.2

Joseph Laconte is going to explain how the catastrophe of World War II transformed the lives

1:22.5

and the literary imaginations of Tolkien and Lewis. Now, I got to say, I admit, I did nerd out

1:29.9

a little bit in this conversation, but you do not have to know these authors or what they

1:35.3

wrote to enjoy this life-giving funny and insightful conversation about their lives and their

1:43.1

friendships.

1:49.6

The good professor will show you a Christian vision of our earthly journey through the eyes of Lewis and Tolkien, and you will get a glimpse of divine goodness and truth that will serve

1:56.7

as an antidote to lies and to hate.

2:00.3

Oh, it is just what we need for our day.

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