It's time for episode 390 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, March 17th, 2021.

Clockwise, Four People, for's shorter than a Lepricon.

I am one of your hosts, Mike Sargent, who is not shorter than a leprechaun, and I am joined across the internet by my good

pal, good buddy, my dungeon buddy, and someone who I've met in person so I can say is also not

shorter than a leprecha. It's Dan the man more. And how you doing, Dan? I'm doing well, Micah. I thought

this was the podcast at the end of the rainbow. Well, there's certainly a lot of gold on this show. Oh, nice.

Ah, good segue, eh?

I like it.

I am excited to say we've got two wonderful guests.

To my left is the editor at IT Pro today, a podcaster, extraordinaire at the incomparableparable, and of course, the penner of the

So What Who Cares newsletter. It's Lisa Schmeiser. Welcome back, Lisa. With an introduction like that,

it's no wonder this is one of my favorite podcasts to be on. Thank you for having me.

And to my left this week, it is the host of daily observations over at the Mac Observer

and Westworld Rewind over at the incomparable and our good friend all around

rabble-rouser and pal.

Kelly Gamant, welcome back, Kelly.

Hi, thanks for having me.

And I have to tell you, uh, it's really odd to be on a non-Wanda Vision con podcast with Dan and Lisa.

Ah, podcasts. Up first, of course, we've got 30 minutes and four topics. I'm going to kick things off with mine. I'm curious. There was a very bleak story about Amazon adding gamification to its warehouses to try and, in theory,

improve upon what is already kind of ridiculous expectations. But that just made me wonder,

does gamification work on your brain? So an example of that would be like closing your

rings on Apple Watch. Lisa Schmeiser, what are your thoughts? Oh my gosh. Yes. Yes, it does. It absolutely

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