Welcome, episode 39, podcast.

All right, what we got to look forward to in this episode today?

Well, this was so initiated by you.

It's a guy called Richard Perry.

He is now a solicitor i think he's somebody

we'd actually get to talk to him that much about who he was really is somebody who's clearly

being embedded in the anarchist kind of left wing movement all his life he's now a solicitor

representing for example people in the spy cops scandal but about 20

odd years ago he wrote a book called the bono bono gang which is about a group of anarchist

anarchist bank robbers basically who um amongst other things invented the getaway car the

first used to getaway car on a bank robbery.

But it's also about their policy.

It's a kind of fairly free-ranging interview, I think.

But it's essentially about, you know, it's an idea about, you know,

we've been interested in exploring ideas of anarchism.

And there's what the people like the, what these, the Bono gang were part,

were part of a pan-European movement of what was often referred to as a legalist.

So there are people who say essentially, I think, that, um,

rather than forming an, you know, trying to found an anarchist society as the anarcho syndiclists wanted to do

and then have a society that had no rules or very few rules,

instead you start living your life as if there are no rules right now.

And that inevitably leads to criminality.

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