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Welcome to The Restless Politics leading with me, Rory Stewart.

And me, Ernest Camel.

And we're very, very lucky, very generous seed. Primus Tetris May has given us a second go

where we're going to be getting more into talking about her time in government.

And those of you who lucky enough to listen to the first episode will have seen a lot of our

conversations around actually the business of politics, her values, something about her childhood,

a lot about public service. But now we're getting into the, the nub of the matter. And on this,

I'm going to hand over to Alistair. So tell us the circumstances are becoming prime minister.

How do you describe them?

Well, it was a different experience from some, although not all. Of course, what had happened

was we'd had the referendum on Brexit and David Cameron came virtually straight out and said that

he was going to resign. Do you think he should have stayed? I mean, at the time I thought he

should have stayed. I think looking back probably he's right. I think he said that it would have

been difficult for him to stay. It was hard enough for you. Well, it was, but at least it was

somebody coming in rather than the person who'd called for the referendum. Just to interrupt on that,

again, to explain to international listeners. So what had happened is David Cameron had called

the Brexit referendum. Brexit obviously won 52, 48. He'd campaigned on the remains side as did

you and me and obviously asked her. So there was a possibility for him to stay on as prime minister

and try to implement a Brexit deal. His sense was that probably he wouldn't be trusted by the people

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