I'm joined today by Dr. Ben Bakikiko.

Now, Dr. Ben, or Benbo, as he's known, was really quite a pioneer in the world of low-carb

lifestyles and resistance training and high-intensity interval training.

He started this back in the 70s and has continued with it today.

And when you hear him talk, you're going to see his passion, his knowledge, and the impact

he's had on a lot of the people he's worked with.

And one of the things we talked about is the concept of you can't outrun a bad diet.

And he has a different perspective on that that I think will be really important to hear. And I mean, he knows his stuff. He's got his training. He has a PhD in exercise

physiology and a second PhD in health and physical education. And like I said, he's been in practice

since the 70s helping people. And it's important to hear sort of the counterbalance to,

oh, we don't have to worry so much about exercise.

And his point is exercise is absolutely crucial when done correctly

and work synergistically with diet to help us metabolically and help our health.

So I hope you really appreciate and enjoy this interview with Dr. Ben Bakiki.

All right, Dr. Ben Bakikiko.

All right, Dr. Ben Bakikiko, thank you for joining me on the Diet Doctor podcast.

My pleasure, Brett.

Always a pleasure to see you.

Yeah, I've learned so much since I've met you.

And one of the things that really was remarkable to me is that you've been doing this new thing called a keto low-carb diet and high-intensity interval training, this brand new fad thing since, oh, what,

1974?

Is that right?

...