389) Dany Celermajer: Multispecies justice and more-than-human entanglements
Green Dreamer: Seeding change towards collective healing, sustainability, regeneration
Kaméa Chayne
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🗓️ 22 February 2023
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
“I use the language of entanglement rather than interdependence because entanglement implies that what’s fundamental is relationships.”
What are some of the limitations of human rights frameworks and the institutions that uphold them? What does it mean to go beyond recognizing our interdependence to seeing our deep entanglements with our more-than-human world? And how is the much more holistic framing of “multispecies justice” still reductive in terms of the forms of beings that they recognize?
In this episode, we welcome Professor Dany Celermajer, Deputy Director of the Sydney Environment Institute at the University of Sydney who leads the Multispecies Justice project. Through the experience of living through the black summer bushfires with a multispecies community, she began writing about a new crime of our age, Omnicide and subsequently Summertime.
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| 1:40.5 | We look at other human beings and we see them as having ultimate value which is outside any exchange system. |
| 1:49.0 | And when we don't do that, we call that slavery or the reduction of human beings to things. |
| 1:55.0 | And yet that's in the dominant capitalist, the hegemonic system that rules so much of the world now. |
| 2:02.6 | That's how we understand land, that's how we treat land. |
| 2:08.6 | Today we're speaking with Professor Danny Sellermeyer, who is Deputy Director of the Sydney Environment Institute |
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