388: Making Queer Fairy Tales (with Melanie Gillman)

Spirits: Mythology, Legends, & Folklore

Multitude

Myths, Folklore, Society & Culture, Alcohol, Legends, Learning, Urbanlegends, Mythology, Comedy, History, Education, Gods, Educational, Drunkhistory

4.8 • 2K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2024

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

We’re joined by cartoonist and author of Other Ever Afters, Mel Gillman to chat about growing as an artist, how allegories of fairy tales grow over time, and breaking the structures to write good horror. Also, the premiere of our new favorite segment: Foraging Corner.

Content Warning: This episode contains conversations about or mentions of queerphobia, arranged marriage, divorce, colonization, genocide, bodily fluids, gentrification, and classism.

Guest

Melanie Gillman is a cartoonist and illustrator who specializes in LGBTQ books for kids and teens. They are the creator of the Stonewall Honor Award–winning graphic novel As the Crow Flies, Other Ever Afters, and Stage Dreams. In addition to their graphic novel work, they teach in the comics MFA program at California College of the Arts.

Housekeeping

- Recommendation: This week, Julia recommends The Strange Case of the Alchemist’s Daughter by Theodora Goss

- Books: Check out our previous book recommendations, guests’ books, and more at https://spiritspodcast.com/books

- Call to Action: Check out Big Game Hunger!

Transcript

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0:00.0	Oh, Welcome to Spirit's
0:29.4	Spirit's podcast, a busie dive into mythology, legends, and folklore.
0:33.2	Every week we pour a drink and learn about a new story from around the world.
0:36.8	I'm Amanda.
0:37.8	And I'm Julia.
0:39.0	And this week we are joined by the wonderful author, artist, lover of folk and fairy tales and mythology.
0:46.0	It's Mel Gilman. How are you, Mel?
0:48.0	Hi, I'm good. Thanks for having me on.
0:50.0	I wanted to start this episode off by being like the the timeline of me
0:55.9	experiencing your work. I remember I came across one of your comics probably in
1:01.5	20. It was the the goddess of mishaps comic on Tumblr and I was like oh this is so cool I really love this
1:09.7	This is so like our vibe here on spirits and then I was in a bookstore up in Vermont recently and I came
1:18.4	across other ever afters in that bookstore and I was like oh, I recognize this is the same person and got really excited,
1:26.0	bought it immediately, was so thrilled to like just to see it in the existence.
1:30.0	I hadn't even like seen that it had been a published work.
1:32.0	So when I finished reading it, I messaged Amanda immediately
1:35.6	and was like, we have to have them on,
1:37.2	because I think this would be perfect.
1:39.6	And to your credit, you answered right away.
1:41.2	So from my perspective, I just found out about you a few days ago and I have so much to dig into. I'm so excited.
1:46.5	Definitely. So Mel can you tell us first off a little bit about yourself and the work that you do and then we can talk a little bit more
1:54.5	about other ever afters and just the queerness of folklore and fairy tales in general.
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