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at greendreamer.com slash support. So let's just back up and say sometimes the United States

invades other countries or the Iraq war, was that.

But it is also the case that much of the exertion of power today is more supple, quieter, or doesn't make headlines as much.

It sort of passes under the radar.

And you can see that as a grand achievement.

At least we're not having these bloody wars for territory anymore, and those wars were genuinely awful and bloody and far, far too many people died in them.

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