#386 Michael Shellenberger - The Left Doesn't Want You To See This
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🗓️ 24 October 2025
⏱️ 103 minutes
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Summary
Zuby is joined by author and journalist Michael Shellenberger for a wide-ranging conversation on truth, media, and the environment. Michael reacts to the assassination of Charlie Kirk, examines how social platforms distort our perception of crime, and explores the radicalisation of universities and media. The two explore environmental myths, debate gender and sports, and trace the generational, demographic, and geopolitical shifts reshaping the West.
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Timestamps:
(00:00) Introduction
(00:22) Reacting to the Assassination of Charlie Kirk
(01:51) The Impact of Social Media on Society
(04:25) The Rise of Nationalism and Gen Z's Embrace of Masculinity
(06:23) Radical Ideologies in Education and Society
(13:32) The Role of Social Media in Perception of Crime
(31:26) The Left's View on Human Nature and Society
(39:58) The Radicalization of Universities and Media
(40:30) Debunking Environmental Myths
(40:39) The Sea Level Rise Controversy
(44:16) Intellectual Cowardice and the Culture of Lies
(44:39) The Impact of Social Movements on Society
(45:23) The Debate on Gender and Sports
(48:21) The Role of Independent Journalists and Podcasters
(51:53) Crime, Law, and Social Order
(01:07:22) The Ideological Divide Among Generations
(01:12:32) Right-Wing Response to the Fertility Crisis
(01:12:59) Cultural Attitudes Towards Parenthood
(1:13:32) Future Demographic Shifts
(1:13:52) Challenges to Increasing Birth Rates
(1:18:02) Economic and Educational Reforms
(1:19:52) Immigration and National Identity
(1:25:38) Global Political Shifts
(1:37:37) Spiritual and Cultural Solutions
(1:42:05) Outro
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| 0:00.0 | Michael, welcome back to Real Talk with Zubi. How you doing? Great, great to be with you. Zubi, |
| 0:04.0 | great to see you again. Awesome. How are you doing? Really well. Um, personally well, worried about |
| 0:10.5 | how things are right now. So much is going on and it's hard to even report on all the different events. |
| 0:17.4 | And I'm concerned about our country and concerned about the world. but personally well. Yeah. So as we record this, we are just a couple days after the assassination |
| 0:28.4 | of Charlie Kirk. So I definitely want to talk about that. By the time this episode comes out, |
| 0:34.7 | I'm sure there are going to be new updates, so I don't want it to become |
| 0:39.9 | outdated. But what was your, what was your reaction? Where were you when you heard the news and |
| 0:47.9 | what was your immediate reaction? Horror and, you know, deep sadness. I have two kids and, you know, it's hard to even think about it. |
| 0:58.5 | You know, like those videos of him talking about his kids obviously had a big or had a big impact on me. |
| 1:03.6 | I had a similar experience to things to others, which is becoming almost like obsessive on social |
| 1:08.7 | media, like not being able to pull away from it. |
| 1:12.7 | The assassination itself, I mean, you realize like everybody's got their phone out and so you |
| 1:17.4 | quickly see this assassination. It was hard to avoid it on X. I was able to avoid the killing of |
| 1:25.1 | the Ukrainian refugee on. I was able to like not watch that and didn't want to see it. |
| 1:30.6 | But this one, it was just right there. So it was quite shocking to see it. And then to go on and see the |
| 1:36.3 | reaction to it, particularly from people on the left, I mean, that was kind of a secondary shock to see the joy that people had in celebrating the death of somebody. |
| 1:49.6 | It made me feel like the culture has made people more psychopathic, more psychopathological, more lacking empathy, which is something that we've seen in the society, I think |
| 2:02.4 | more is particularly related to social media. One of the characteristics of so-called Cluster B |
| 2:07.3 | personality disorders are people that have excess empathy for people in their in-group and then |
| 2:13.5 | lack of empathy for people on their out-group, which I think explains a lot of what, you know, |
| 2:19.3 | I've documented over the years, which is sort of an unhelpful level or pathological levels of |
| 2:24.5 | supposed compassion or empathy, which I think is actually fake empathy, and then just total, |
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