In Oklahoma City, you can't hear large vehicle-borne IED truck bomb without thinking of the Murrow Building.

So my concern was there might be some argument that, well, this was only a thousand pound bomb,

not a 5,000 pounder like McVeigh had, so you can't really, you know, compare the two.

So to blunt that argument, I worked with the Army up at Fort Riley, Kansas, and we reconstructed his thousand-pound bomb and detonated that identical device on a range in Fort Riley.

I was a mile and a half away when I pushed the button.

So at sentencing, we were able to show six images of that fireball and the devastation of Obama that size could create.

Welcome to episode 386 of FBI Case Fall Review with Jerry Williams. I'm a retired agent on a mission to show you who the FBI is and what the FBI does

through my books, my blog, and my podcast case reviews with former colleagues. Today we get to speak to

once again, retired agent Barry Black, who served in the FBI for 31 years. In this episode, Barry reviews two

bombing cases. He worked as a special agent bomb tech, SABT, assigned to the Oklahoma City

Division. The first case covers the detonation of a bomb at the University of Oklahoma Football

Game in 2005, where subject Joel Henry Henrik, the third, used a type of homemade explosive

that had only been used by international terrorists. The second case is an undercover investigation named Operation

Mischief Mayhem, a case Barry worked just before he retired, where he thwarted subject Jerry Drake

Varnel's plan to build and deploy a 1,000-pound explosive device similar to the one Timothy McVeigh

used to bomb the Alfred Murrow federal building.

Barry was subpoenaed out of retirement to provide expert testimony at sentencing.

These cases are included in Barry's new book, Hazardous Devices, Memoir of a FBI

Bomb Technician, accountant, and sniper, where he writes about his 30-year career as a SWAT sniper,

master bomb technician, and counterterrorism instructor. During this episode, Barry also shares more

stories from his time on the task force that investigated the Oklahoma City bombing, where the lives

of 168 people, including 19 children, were senselessly taken.

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