#385 - “They’re Underwater!” - MIT Drone CEO on WW3, China Spy Drones & Submersive UFOs | Jesse Hamel
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🗓️ 17 February 2026
⏱️ 165 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Hey guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review. |
| 0:05.1 | They're both a huge huge help. |
| 0:06.5 | Thank you. All right. So I think this is probably the start of a second episode because we have a lot on the bone here to go through that. We've had an awesome conversation today. So people, if this one's coming out, the first one will also be linked down below. And these are going to be two very separate conversations. You'll be able to watch them separately, like in their own context, but really good stuff so far. |
| 0:39.1 | So you did 20 years in the Air Force. |
| 0:42.6 | You're now CEO of a tech drone company that integrates AI. |
| 0:47.6 | You were saying it's basically like the inner ear for drones. |
| 0:50.1 | We're going to define what all that is right here. |
| 0:52.8 | But I think a really, really good way to start this, Jesse, would be to go through something we touched on a little but didn't like officially go through the evolution of it, which is like the actual history of drone warfare. |
| 1:05.4 | You've mentioned some of the names of, I'm going to fuck them up, but some of the names of the initial drones that you |
| 1:11.5 | would notice like flying next to you on the planes and stuff. |
| 1:15.0 | But like we obviously got very heavy with it in 2008, 9, 10, 11 and now it's a whole different |
| 1:21.8 | ball game, how we do it. |
| 1:23.3 | So for someone out there who doesn't understand exactly how our drone program works, |
| 1:29.8 | you know, where to come from and where is it now? |
| 1:32.5 | Yeah, no, it's a, and that's a great way to set it. |
| 1:34.9 | So for like drone, by the way, the, you know, the term, it's kind of come full circle. |
| 1:39.9 | Drone's a, you know, what is a drone? |
| 1:42.4 | Well, drone is like a B and an idea is like a dumb |
| 1:45.9 | bee basically just goes in a certain area so you know we started calling him this almost as like |
| 1:51.1 | a pejorative but the first one's really it was operation enduring freedom so afghanistan time |
| 1:57.5 | frame so you had some stuff um you know that was flying probably in the late 90s. And, you know, there, I don't know if I would know the full like when it started, but that it was kind of this idea of like, okay, we can make this big plane and we can control it from a radio controller on the ground. Like that's the basic concept. And if we do that, |
| 2:18.8 | then we can design the plane way cheaper because it doesn't have to have a human in it. So I can |
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