I don't want to manage people like me.

Is the name of this episode.

This is me, Mike Rowe, by the way.

The Way I heard it, episode number 385.

I'm just so pleased with this quote, Chuck.

I just wanted to lead with it.

It ought to be on a t-shirt.

It ought to be on the wall in here somewhere in this conversation with

Kerry Kirkpatrick, today's guests. He laid that little bit of wisdom on us. And there's a lot

of wisdom. I mean, speak softly and carry a big resume. Yes. And he does have a big, big

resume. He's a writer and a director and a producer, a former actor, a current singer.

And when I tell you, you know his work, believe me, you know it.

Charlotte's Webb, over the hedge, the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, chicken run, James

and the giant peach, the rescuers down under, put him on the map.

He's done a ton, Kerry has, and I know him because we completely geeked out about nine years ago in one of the hotels down here in Santa Monica.

I think it was shutters or maybe Casadal Mar. But Mary was with us.

My business partner used to represent this guy.

And she put a deal together for him that essentially would have put him in charge of DreamWorks.

Right.

An amazing deal.

And it couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

You're going to love Kerry, but I was still trying to pry Mary away from her law firm.

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