Welcome to the Dinner Party Download. This is your icebreaker. Hey, I got one for you. Why did the vegan meat cross the road? I don't know. To prove it wasn't chicken.

I'm Brendan Francis Noonam. I'm Rico Gagliano, and from APM, American Public Media, this is the Dinner Party Download, culture, food, and humor to fuel your party conversations. You just got a joke from Minneapolis's own kale waltch. That'll break the ice. He is a vegan butcher. Oh, yes. That's right. And later in the show, he'll tell us how that's even possible. Other guests include Catherine Hahn, currently Emmy nominated for her work in Jill

Salloway's Transparent, and she talks about starring in Salloway's other series, I Love Dick.

Plus, Titus Burgess of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt answers your etiquette questions. Indy Rock's

Clown Prince MacDamarko DJs a lasagna-laden dinner party, and best-selling author Anne Lamotte

begs for mercy.

And if that all sounds familiar, it's because this is a rebroadcast of an episode we first aired

in May.

So cast your mind back to a time when the school year was ending.

And when, as at any dinner party, we started with Small Talk.

Now, for something you might not have heard, we're joined by Tobin Lowe. He is the co-host of WNYC Studios' new podcast, Nancy. It's about LGBTQ stuff. You should check it out. Tobin, what story are you going to be talking about this weekend? I'm going to be talking about a story that's about a thing I'm very bad at, which is dressing like a leader.

Okay.

Although you're dressed leader-like. Yeah. If you can't see, I'm wearing a glorified Hawaiian shirt. Okay, you're wearing Hawaiian shirt. You weren't. I was being kind. And public radio, that's like a suit. It's true. But the story I want to talk about, it has to do with a study that these researchers did. and basically they they gave people photos of models and they asked

them to rate them based on their looks who they thought would be an excellent average and

mediocre leader. Okay. Basically, they were trying to figure out if there's like a unifying

principle over what a leader looks like. Sure. The results were all over the place.

Uh-huh.

So they dove back into the data and they were like, what's going on here?

And it turns out people just think people who look like them are good leaders.

Whoa.

That was a unifying theme.

Everyone is kind of a narcissist when it comes to leadership.

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