Hello, everyone watching and listening. Today, I'm speaking with musician Chris Lunsford,

better known by his stage name Oliver Anthony. We discuss the balance between vision and efficiency

in artistic and commercial endeavors. Why Chris's hit song Rich Man North of Richmond

has resonated so broadly and so quickly. The way honest expression through music can combat

demoralization, how politics have become confused with the sacred, and what we can do to restore

each to their proper order, looking very much forward to it. So, Mr. Anthony, your stage name,

your stage persona is Oliver. Your name is Chris. I'm going to call you Chris,

part of Call Me Jordan. So, here's something you might not know about me, and I don't care,

you know, maybe you want to know it, maybe not. I've been collecting country and western music

for about 30 years, something like that. I had a roommate from Southern Alberta in college,

in Montreal. I wasn't really a country and western fan at that point. He really liked Hank Williams,

and I started listening to Hank Williams, and I thought, oh my god, man, this is great. And

when I moved to Boston, I started collecting old vinyl records. Of course, I had records when I was

a kid, but in the 90s in Boston, you could pick up vinyl for like three for a buck, you know,

it was dirt cheap. So, I used to go into the record stores and pick up any old weird looking

album usually from the 50s, 40s through the 60s, and I built a big collection of country and western

music, and then I made a couple of CDs that called Western Blues, and was given those out for

Christmas presents, and I actually have a Spotify, I have a Spotify playlist that's

29 hours long now with 600 songs on it that I've collected for 40 years. My wife and I listened to

it a lot in the cards, real good driving music, you know, and I'm going to just lift some of the

characters that I listen to, you're familiar with all these guys, but a lot of people watching and

listening won't be, and they should be others, Hank Williams, of course. Bill Monroe is Kentucky

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