381. AMMA — The Hardest Mindset Shift for Law Firm Owners to Make

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Business, Management, Entrepreneurship, Marketing

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 17 July 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

What got you here might not get you where you want to go. And for many law firm owners, that realization is difficult to accept. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill explores why the survival mentality that helps firm owners get off the ground often becomes a liability as they grow. From micromanaging teams to avoiding calculated risks, this episode reveals what it really takes to move from operator to strategic leader. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why the survival mindset that once protected you can now hold you back How to stop being disappointed in your team by setting clear expectations What it takes to stop reacting tactically and start thinking like a visionary Start thinking like a visionary so you can lead your firm to the next level. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Intro 02:12 – Kicking off with screen time, digital addictions, and phone habits 05:50 – How to stay focused with tools like Opal and scheduled restrictions 07:43 – A law firm owner shares frustration with team disappointment 08:25 – Why unspoken expectations are the root of resentment 10:00 – How to shift accountability back to yourself as the leader 13:11 – Strategic thinking versus tactical reacting 17:44 – Shifting from survival mode to playing with house money 23:38 – Wrapping up with a mindset check and final thoughts ---- Links & Resources: Opal App WHOOP App Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs John Maxwell Jesse Cole – Savannah Bananas Jerry Seinfeld’s Productivity Strategy Robert Greene ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 138. Anthony Johnson — Industry Disruption is the Key to Survival 375. AMMA — Stop Being The Bottleneck: Lead Your Firm Without Being Needed 317. AMMA — Crushing Mediocrity: The Art of Setting and Meeting Higher Expectations

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0:00.0	You sit down and you're like, man, I've got writers block, just write, just right.
0:06.3	And maybe it's going to be trash, but you will have practiced.
0:09.0	And again, coming back to Jerry Seinfeld, he said every day he'd have a streak where you would just focus on, let me just write some standup.
0:15.9	Most of it's not going to make it to an actual live show, but because I'm continuing to flex this muscle, I'll get better and better and better, and you start to develop this type of habit.
0:30.0	I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.
0:34.6	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:37.4	Crisp started with just
0:38.2	$500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years, earning a
0:43.1	spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America. Our approach has been to take
0:48.2	everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the
0:52.5	country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down
0:58.1	with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive
1:02.7	in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true
1:07.0	game changer. This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Chris, and today we're flipping the script
1:13.0	for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, how to break destructive
1:17.5	patterns that sabotage your leadership, while your brain stays stuck in survival mode even after
1:22.4	you've achieved success, and how to develop true strategic thinking as a firm owner.
1:27.1	So maybe it starts with just writing everything out
1:28.9	and not even having some sort of outcome in mind of saying,
1:32.5	well, I need to solve this $100 million problem today
1:35.9	and then in this hour that I have sandwiched between
1:38.8	disgruntled clients and the scroll team members.
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