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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

380. A Resurgence of Vision | Vivek Ramaswamy

The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast

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Education, Science, Society & Culture

4.634.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 August 2023

⏱️ 101 minutes

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and 2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy discuss his ongoing campaign, the long-growing hunger for depth in political discussion, the dire need for a renewed American vision, and how Vivek plans to strip the Washington administrative agencies of their unconstitutional powers. Vivek Ramaswamy is an entrepreneur, author, and political activist. Vivek has been making headlines since announcing his candidacy for the 2024 presidential election, running on a platform in part to dismantle the expansive and corrupt bureaucracy that has seeped into nearly all facets of American government. Prior to this, Ramaswamy was the founder and CEO of the biopharmaceutical company Roivant Sciences. Leaving in 2021, he published “Woke, Inc.: Inside Corporate America's Social Justice Scam.” In 2022, he co-founded Strive Asset Management with Anson Frericks, which focuses on an alternative to the now-pushed ESG investment framework. That same year Ramaswamy published “Nation of Victims: Identity Politics, the Death of Merit, and the Path Back to Excellence.” and has since been deemed one of the “Intellectual Godfathers of the anti-woke movement.” - Links - For Vivek Ramaswamy: For more information on Vivek’s campaign: https://www.vivek2024.com/

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0:00.0

Hello everyone, watching and listening. Today I'm speaking to author, entrepreneur and

0:20.4

2024 presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. We discuss his ongoing campaign, the long-growing

0:29.3

hunger in the general population for depth in political discussion, the dire need, the necessity

0:35.2

for a renewed American vision and how Vivek plans to strip the Washington administrative

0:41.2

agencies of their unconstitutional powers. All right, Mr. Ramaswamy, we said about four months ago,

0:48.9

which was the last time we talked that we would talk in about four months and here it is,

0:54.5

I was very interested after contemplating our last conversation in staying in touch with you

1:01.6

at least in part to get more insight into what it's actually like to be on the campaign trail.

1:07.2

And so now you've been hard at it, how long it's going to be? How long have you actually been

1:11.8

campaigning now? Well, it was last week of February that we began. So it's been just a little bit

1:17.7

over four months, close to five months. Right, right. So what have you, what have you learned?

1:24.5

Well, one of the things I've learned is actually one of the more surprising

1:29.2

expectations is that the political consultant class at the start of this campaign had a concern

1:35.4

about my style that I think they still continue to have today, which is the advice they give me

1:42.8

is to dumb it down, that this is no longer the era of writing books. As you know, I mean, you've

1:50.8

written more prolifically than I have, but the last few years I've been in a stage of life where

1:55.6

I've been writing books, examining issues with depth. I think the threats to liberty are complex

2:00.4

and I've been explaining them. And so when they said is, when you need to get used to the

2:04.1

political mindset, people don't have that kind of attention span. They need to be distilled into

2:09.7

bullet points, dumb it down when you need to or nobody's going to listen to you.

2:15.6

What I have found is that I have been at my worst when I'm doing that. And I've been at my best

2:22.0

when I'm more or less ignoring that advice. And that's less about me, Dr. Peterson. That's actually

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