I never say anything like that and when you walk in you don't expect to see that I didn't understand what was happening.

DeFast should have known that you had that ability and they should have called upon you to get in that door.

So this is going to become a very critical medical evidence case.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente, former New York City prosecutor, retired FBI profiler and writer producer on CBS's Criminal Minds.

And with me today is my wonderful co-host.

Hi everybody, it's francey hakes and we are coming to you today from the Atlanta office of best case worst case. So I have to welcome Jim Clemente to humid rainy Georgia. Welcome to Georgia Jim.

It's actually pretty wonderful seeing little pieces of water fall out of this guy because I have really lost that feeling living in California for the last almost eight years.

It is amazing the different how different it is. I mean California is definitely dry. There's tons of sun and you think well that's fantastic, but it really is nice to get the occasional gray drizzly day. It's sort of fun.

Okay. And also with us today is very special guest and friend of francey hakes.

Joanne Sutherland.

Joanne, what is your job?

Right now I am the Clayton County fire and emergency services. Emergency communication officer. So I do public relations. I do internal affairs and I'm a liaison between the community and our department.

And can you tell us a little bit about your work history?

I have spent 21 and a half years in law enforcement.

Clayton County Sheriff's Office, Clayton County Police Department. I've done online crimes against children, rape, robbery, murder, federal cases, local cases, pretty much everything.

Wow. It sounds like a really broad cross section of law enforcement.

Joanne has a ton of experience and I just want to say how good it is to see you. I haven't seen Joanne. I think in person in years, years.

We have worked together a bunch and it's so great to have her in studio. In fact, what our listeners may not know and Joanne certainly doesn't know is this is only our second live interview where we've had Jim and I and our guests all together and the other was crime.

When we launched the podcast.

Nice.

So congratulations. It's a bit of a it's a bit of a milestone for us.

We're really happy to have you here and why don't we dive right into your best case and can you tell us what kind of a case it is?

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