4.8 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 22 August 2025
⏱️ 66 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Zuby is joined by Naomi Best, a therapy student who took a stand against ideological extremism in academia. Beginning with shocking invasions of privacy and institutional failures, she shares how her experience led to public exposure through a Wall Street Journal article. The conversation explores the politicisation of therapy training, anti-Christian sentiment in universities, and the rise of identity politics. Naomi also reflects on the consequences of challenging woke ideology, her vision for education reform, and the role of faith and courage in navigating a hostile academic environment.
Timestamps -
(00:00) Introduction
(00:23) Naomi Best's Background
(02:09) The Invasion of Privacy and Seeking Accommodation
(03:09) Re-enrollment and Further Issues
(04:12) Final Straw and Wall Street Journal Article
(04:55) Motivation for Studying Therapy
(06:02) Enrollment and Program Experience
(06:37) Shift in Therapy Training
(07:06) Identity and Political Activism in Class
(09:15) Anti-Christian Sentiment in Academia
(13:17) Racial Components in Therapy Training
(18:33) Facing Backlash and Cancellation
(22:32) Current Status and Future Plans
(24:06) Encouragement and Reflection
(28:25) Absurdity of Woke Ideology
(30:54) Denied Psychological Services
(31:23) Institutional Cowardice and Ethical Missteps
(33:09) The Pharisee Type and Modern Zealotry
(38:34) Critique of Traditional Masculinity in Therapy
(39:35) Starving the Universities for Change
(43:51) Credentialism vs. Meritocracy
(50:30) The Future of Education and Disruption
(57:02) Entrepreneurial Opportunities in Therapy
(1:01:22) Faith and Courage in Speaking Up
(1:02:25) Outro
Subscribe to the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify & more - https://fanlink.tv/zubypodcast
Follow Zuby:
https://realtalkwithzuby.com
https://x.com/zubymusic
https://instagram.com/zubymusic
https://facebook.com/zubymusic
Follow Naomi Best:
Naomi’s Substack: http://clinicallyincorrect.substack.com
Merch, Music & Books - https://teamzuby.com
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | In today's fast-changing digital world, proving your company's trustworthy isn't just important for growth. |
| 0:06.6 | It's essential. That's why Vanta is here. Vanta helps companies of all sizes get compliant, fast, |
| 0:13.0 | and stay that way with their proprietary AI, automation and continuous monitoring. |
| 0:17.8 | So whether you're a startup tackling your first SOC 2 or ISO-27-001 or an enterprise |
| 0:24.6 | managing vendor risk, Vanta's trust management platform makes it quicker, easier and more scalable. It even |
| 0:31.3 | helps you complete security questionnaires up to five times faster, so you can close bigger deals |
| 0:36.7 | sooner. And the impact? According to a |
| 0:39.3 | recent IDC study, Vanta customers cut over $500,000 a year in costs and boost productivity by three |
| 0:46.9 | times. Establishing trust isn't optional. Vanta makes it automatic. Visit vanta.com slash go to sign up for a free demo today. That's V-A-N-T-A.com |
| 0:58.2 | slash G-O. |
| 1:03.5 | I am the man, sick with the slang, sick and I'm destined for fame, do for the fan, not for the grand, |
| 1:08.8 | stunting me are destined for pain, I do not frug, I do not scam, put some respect on my name. |
| 1:13.3 | Sick like a pain, click on a bang, y'all gonna remember the name. Y'all gonna remember the name. Naomi, welcome to Real Talk with Zubi. How are you doing? I'm doing good. How are you, Zubi? Thank you for having me. Naomi, I know who you are and a little bit about your story, but for those who are not familiar, please introduce yourself. |
| 1:11.9 | I'm a therapy student. I live in California's Naomi, I know who you are and a little bit about your story, but for those who are not familiar, please introduce yourself. |
| 1:29.1 | I'm a therapy student. I live in California's Bay Area, and I was going to Santa Clara University. I was in my last year to become a marriage and family therapist. And what happened was I enrolled in one of the last classes I needed to graduate called |
| 1:45.2 | human sexuality. And I tried to enroll in this class two different times and I ended up |
| 1:52.0 | walking out and writing in the Wall Street Journal about my experience. So I'll tell you a little |
| 1:57.9 | bit about what happened. I originally enrolled in summer of 2024, |
| 2:04.1 | and I dug into the syllabus, |
| 2:05.9 | and I discovered sadomasochistic erotica |
| 2:09.2 | for required reading describing violent gang sex |
| 2:13.7 | punishing a wife for taking off her collar. |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Zuby, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of Zuby and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2025.