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Real Talk with Zuby

#376 Jamie Mustard - The Forgotten Children of Scientology

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🗓️ 15 August 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

Zuby is joined by Jamie Mustard, who grew up within the world of Scientology. Jamie recounts his earliest memories inside the organisation, from indoctrination and control drills, to the harsh realities for children in the system.

The conversation explores the family separations, labour expectations, and ideological conditioning that shaped his youth. They discuss the organisation's current state, the treatment of children, and the psychological impact on families. Jamie also shares stories from his book 'Child X: A Memoir of Slavery, Poverty, Celebrity, and Scientology', offering a rare inside look at a secretive and controversial group.


Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:25) The Lost Children of Scientology

(03:04) Early Years

(12:06) Life in Scientology: Childhood Experiences

(13:43) Understanding Scientology Beliefs

(16:07) Childhood Indoctrination and Abuse

(18:52) Life in the System: Daily Struggles

(29:36) Family Dynamics and Estrangement

(34:20) Current State of Scientology

(36:58) The Role of Nannies in the Organization

(37:19) Children as Future Labor

(38:22) Scientology's Ideology and Practices


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Transcript

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0:00.0

I am the man sick with a slang, sick and I'm destined for fame.

0:07.0

Dude for the fan, not for the grand, stunting you're destined for pain.

0:10.0

I do not frown, I do not scam, put some respect on my name.

0:13.0

Sick like a rain, click and I bang.

0:15.0

Y'all gonna remember the name.

0:17.0

Zubi, it's a pleasure to be here with you.

0:20.0

Awesome, well, it's a pleasure.

0:21.6

Well, you've been making a lot of waves recently.

0:24.6

You had a big interview on Soft White Underbelly, which I watched, and it was all about the

0:29.6

lost children of Scientology.

0:31.6

So who and what are the lost children of Scientology?

0:35.6

From the late 1960s in Southern England, when Lafayette

0:43.5

Ronald Hubbard started what he called the Sea Project, which is their paramilitary kind of

0:48.5

inner Navy group, which runs their organization, they started raising children under that auspices with these militaristic

0:58.7

and also kind of supernatural policies. And so from the late 60s up until, I would say now,

1:08.7

if you consider a child to be a 15 yearyear-old or a 16-year-old, they

1:13.6

formally banned children in the clergy or the inter-nady in 1986, but it still goes on today.

1:21.6

And the lost children of Scientology are the kids of my generation in the 70s and 80s and even the kids in the 90s that were sequestered and penned while their bodies grew so that they could one day be vessels of labor for Hubbard's private Navy.

1:47.0

And I believe that the ideological underpinnings of, you know, again, the conditions got better over the years.

1:57.0

I got the business end of it in terms of less than developing world squalor

2:02.8

and poverty. But so that changed. Those conditions were never that good, but the systematic

2:10.7

destruction of the child mind remained the same over 40 years on four continents for thousands of kids.

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