375. AMMA — Stop Being The Bottleneck: Lead Your Firm Without Being Needed

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Business, Management, Entrepreneurship, Marketing

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

You didn’t build a business just to stay stuck in it — so why are you still the one holding it back? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill challenge the belief that being essential to your business is a badge of honor. Instead, they reveal why the most effective law firm leaders are the ones who build systems, empower teams, and make themselves operationally unnecessary. From learning how to keep a pulse without micromanaging to redefining your role as CEO, this episode is a tactical playbook for law firm owners who want to scale without staying stuck in the center of everything. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why stepping back from daily operations doesn’t mean losing control — and how to keep a real-time pulse without micromanaging. How boredom can signal it’s time to raise your standards, redefine your role, or set a bigger vision for your firm. What it takes to balance your core business with outside interests, without letting performance slip. If you want your firm to grow beyond you, you’ve got to be willing to let go. ---- Show Notes: 00:00 – Introduction 02:37 – The Robot Dog Experiment: A Lesson in Responsibility 07:02 – Are AI Relationships Really That Far Off? 08:42 – How Involved Should a Law Firm Owner Be? 11:49 – What to Do When You’ve Lost Passion for the Business You Built 17:21 – The Real Cost of Split Focus and Chasing Too Many Interests 21:53 – Final Thoughts: You Can Have It All, But Not All at Once ---- Links & Resources: AIbo robot dog by Sony Gary Vaynerchuk Tim Cook ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 373. AMMA — Your Firm's Biggest Threat: Too Many Good Ideas 341. The Real Reason Your Firm Isn’t Scaling — And It’s Not What You Think 189. AMMA — How to Preserve Your Culture While Scaling Your Business

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0:00.0	Some days it's just a grind, in some weeks it's just a grind, and some quarters it's just a grind,
0:06.7	and some years it's just a grind, and it sucks. It's not designed to be fun all the time. It's not
0:11.7	designed to always be exciting. I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.
0:24.8	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:27.6	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:32.9	earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:37.3	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth
0:40.7	within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed
0:44.2	in all from owners do the same for theirs.
0:46.3	In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal
0:50.1	industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity,
0:54.4	challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer.
0:58.5	This is Jessica, head of coaching strategy at Crisp, and today we're flipping the script
1:03.2	for another special edition episode to get Michael's take on, how involved a founder should be
1:08.2	as their business grows, what to do when you lose passion for the company you build, and the difference between diversification and distraction for firm owners.
1:16.3	Best part of owning the business is that you get to decide. You get the power to choose. You get to choose what you're going to do. And there's not a right answer and a wrong answer that's all in the context of what you're trying to achieve.
1:27.8	So if you're trying to pursue your passions and enjoy these extracurriculars and money is not a factor to you and you just don't care about your team and you don't care about your clients,
1:35.3	that maybe what's right for you is to pursue those extracurriculars.
1:39.4	That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
1:52.7	What's up, guys?
1:56.1	This is Michael, and I'm here with Jessica.
1:59.3	And if you just got jolted, that's right.
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