Tio is mischaracterized as he says he is in many ways.

Now some of it isn't, but he's just hard a worker, he's a great player, he wants to win as bad as anybody out there.

So, you know, it's not fair to just say T.O. or join the chorus of criticisms of him, but it's also fair to say that there were some challenges in him. Donham was not

somebody that's hard to get along with. He didn't have those kind of problems with most of his

teammates. But I also think it's unfair to just pin the whole thing on T.O. Welcome to episode

number 373 of the Jim Rome podcast. I am Jim Rome. Thanks for finding it.

And great to have you here. And by now, you know what we do here. We stretch out. We go long form.

And we have the kind of conversations that I simply cannot have on our daily program. And this week is no different.

My guest is a former NFL executive who spent 19 years with the Philadelphia Eagles

serving his final 12 years there as team president. During his time with Philadelphia, the team made

the playoffs 11 times, they won six divisional titles, they played in five NFC championship games,

and they made a Super Bowl appearance. He also worked for the Cleveland

Browns from 2012 to 2014 and he completed his tenure there as the team CEO. Of course,

I'm talking about Joe Banner. It's episode number 373 of the Jim Rohn podcast and it's

coming at you right now.

So, Joe, it is great to have a chance to stretch out with you on this podcast.

Thank you very much for making time.

How's everything with you, Joe? What's going on?

My pleasure. Life is good. Football season is almost here.

Summer's been great. No complaints here.

Good, good to hear it. Listen, before we talk, Ball, I want to ask you, you had a great career, but I want to talk about your broadcasting

stint back in the day. What can you tell us about your time at radio station WCAU1210 AM in Philly

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