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History is Gay

37. The Life of Pauli Murray: My Gender is Imp, Part 2

History is Gay

Leigh Pfeffer

History, Society & Culture

4.6536 Ratings

🗓️ 15 July 2021

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of History is Gay, Leigh and guest host Aubree Calvin return to the story of Pauli Murray, an important African American lawyer, and activist who is finally getting the historical attention they deserve. In their time, Murray was a labor rights, civil rights, and women's rights activist, and broke significant barriers all while facing sexism and racism. In addition to having a brilliant legal mind, they were a writer, poet, and priest, and had time to be friends with Eleanor Roosevelt. Pauli Murray should be in every U.S. History book in every K-12 school.

So, if Pauli Murray was so important to so many movements, why has history largely forgotten them? Leigh and Aubree try to answer that in this two-episode series. In this second part of our first-ever two-part episode, we look at what made Pauli queer, and try to get a handle, as best we can, on their gender identity.

We also get the opportunity to speak with amazing activist, lawyer, and reproductive justice advocate Preston Mitchum, previously Policy Director at URGE (Unite for Reproductive and Gender Equity) and current Director of Advocacy and Government Affairs at The Trevor Project, on his own personal history coming to Pauli Murray's story, how they influenced him as a Black queer man, and continues to inspire and influence current and future generations of queer civil rights attorneys all across the country.

Preston can be found online at www.prestonmitchum.com, on Instagram @preston.mitchum, and on Twitter @prestonmitchum.

Our wonderful guest host for this episode, Aubree Calvin, can be found at www.aubreecalvin.com or on her podcast Southern Queeries. You can also hear Aubree in previous episodes, which you can check out by clicking here!

Outline
0:00 – Introduction
4:49 – Why Do We Think They're Gay?
7:19 – Looking at Pauli's Relationships
14:21 – How do we talk about Pauli's gender?
36:17 – Interview with Preston Mitchum
1:12:16 –1:14:173 – TW: Discussion of sexual abuse, rape, and assault
1:16:40 – Pop Culture Tie-In
1:18:13 – How Gay Were They?
1:22:40 – Closing and Where to Find Us Online

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0:00.0

Hello, and welcome to History is Gay, a podcast that examines the underappreciated and overlooked

0:05.7

queer ladies, gents, and gentle endies that have always been there in the unexplored

0:10.3

corners of history, because history has never been as straight as you think.

0:41.1

Thank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the feed. I'm Lee, and I am back for today's episode with our lovely Aubrey Calvin,

0:48.0

and we are continuing our conversation about Polly Murray this episode. This is the second part of our two-part, Pauley Murray episode, our first ever episode where we split one person topic into two episodes

0:56.2

because we just had that much to talk about. So hi, Aubrey. How are you? How was your vacation

1:02.5

that you took? Hi, Lee. I am doing great. My vacation was wonderful. Charleston, South Carolina,

1:10.0

and this is not like an ad or anything, but the beach

1:13.5

is there, amazing, the people, friendly, the food, so good. But I still like Texas barbecue better than

1:23.1

South Carolina barbecue. Oh, strong words. Sorry, that's just who I am. That's where I draw the line.

1:29.3

I mean, I'm going to make some people pretty mad and say that I've had some really, really

1:34.3

good barbecue in California and that I liked barbecue in California better than the

1:38.3

barbecue I had in Texas.

1:40.3

So I guess, don't at me, listeners.

1:50.7

I'm one of those where I think that everyone wants to make their regional cuisine the best,

1:53.0

but honestly, it all just taste good.

1:55.1

It's a... It's like, I just like food.

1:56.9

I mean, I don't...

1:57.7

I just like food.

1:59.5

So...

1:59.7

It's delicious food that somebody made with love. I'm happy to eat it. Yes. Yes. I mean, I don't, I just like food. It's delicious food that somebody made with love.

2:01.9

I'm happy to eat it.

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