I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hi, everybody.

This is Veronica Valley.

And this is Chip Summers.

Welcome to the Soberfall podcast.

I just want to say before we start today, we are going to be talking

about stuff that is definitely an adult nature. So you don't want to be listening to this episode

when your kids are around or in the car or whatever. We are going to be talking about porn and sex

addiction. But before we do that, you've got some really exciting

news, right? Yeah. Russell Brown has just written a new book on mentorship and how to help and how to

be helped. And I feature as one of the mentors. I have a chapter in the book, which has been really nice. Actually, when I think back now,

except for Revolution, I think I've featured in all of Russell's books, even if it was just a

name check. But this is particularly nice because it really talks about how he feels that I helped

him at the very beginning of his recovery journey. Obviously, that's

nice to hear that it had that impact on him, but it's also really nice to be sort of recognised

for that. And so that's very exciting for me. Yeah, it's been really nice. It's come out in England

today and his books on recovery that this is a kind of follow-on from have sold really, really well.

And I think a lot of people have been able to access the 12-step program who would not have

previously gone anywhere near it through the way in which he just talks about it and describes it.

And I hope that this new book particularly will encourage people to do exactly

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